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cowbo

February 2, 2000, 09:14 PM

...I was unsure about sharing negative experiences, but I would have to say FROM MY EXPERIENCE with J& G Sales, they are dishonest and the worst people I have run across for mail order. I had the same problem of ordering standard gun packages, where they pulled out the clips. Wow, I had NEVER seen a reputeable FFL/ Dealer pull parts out before. ...I am surprised they didn't think to yank the firing pins, and make me pay for that separately as well! ...I think fellow netizens should be adviced to steer clear of J&G sales, or know the risks of dealing with them.

Cheers, Cowboy

p.s. Give 'em hell Cryoman :)

David Roberson

February 2, 2000, 09:25 PM

Back in the days when they were doing business as J&G Rifle Ranch (this was the late 1970s) my experience with them convinced me that these guys were a pack of thieves. Sounds like they haven't improved with time.

February 2, 2000, 10:38 PM

Lets add a few more to the list-

Botach Tactical (Overall, they are terrible)-just ask the guys on Bowers board.

R Guns (Nastiest people in the gun business, act like they are doing you a favor).

The Good Guys-

Bachman Pawn & Gun
Jersey City Armory
Inland Armory
CDNN Investments
CFI (good, but pricey)
Dr. David Avery
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?

vanfunk

February 2, 2000, 10:42 PM

Please see the "My apology to Cryoman" thread for my(please, please believe me)humble reply to this uncomfortable morass.

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Nukem

February 2, 2000, 10:55 PM

Hmmm, R Guns treated me very well. I've bought quite a few SIG mags from them.

CDNN, ordered "like new" Sten mags from them, what I got had large cancerous rust patches on them. They did replace them but never refunded the shipping to return them.

Just my experiances from the list of good & bad posted.

February 2, 2000, 11:19 PM

Thats very unusual with CDNN, they should have refunded your shipping cost- but at least you got what you payed for.

As far as R Guns is concerned, congrats in your fine dealings with them.

larry_minn

February 2, 2000, 11:23 PM

Was placing a order from J&G sales. After over 5min on hold they were ready for my order. The price had gone up on the first 3 items "from $20 to $30 each" the other mags they said never worked so they were getting lots of complaints on. "listed like a factory mag with brand name and trademark" Well I told them to delete my card # as I didn't need anything anymore. I found some of the items at a local gun shop for less $$$ lost in the back. :) Was not impressed.
Also I just got Feb 7th shotgun news and the items that went up $$$ are still listed at lower price.

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Brian Bilby

February 2, 2000, 11:24 PM

R Guns are the biggest bunch of crooks in the business. They have changed ownership since the old owner and manager got busted by the ATF. I have been personally burned by them. They were selling unmarked law enforcement post-ban AR-15's as pre-ban ones. Years later when confronted with this, they denied it, said it was the dealers fault and not theirs. When confronted with invoices that showed that they said they were pre-ban and ads in the Shotgun News and Gunlist showing they advertised them as such, they still balked. The short barreled Colt uppers they advertise and sell aren't factory Colt shorties, but ones they cut down themselves.

Buyer beware.

Brian

markd

February 2, 2000, 11:49 PM

I've bought from J&G before and had no problems. I ordered ammo so I don't know about how they deal with firearms. Never got the impression from talking to them that they did not want my business. Must be my charming personality.

markd

Ala Dan

February 3, 2000, 12:37 AM

Greetings, Sorry to hear the bad rap on J&G
Sales; formerly J&G Rifle Ranch of Turner,
Montana. I use to read their ad's in The
Shotgun News; always wishing to find that
rare Smith & Wesson handgun. What a shame,
that they would crap on us sportsman!!!

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

parabellum

February 3, 2000, 12:39 AM

I have to agree with JG's list. I, too, had the distinct impression that I was interrupting something more important when I placed an order with R Guns.

I've had very good luck with CDNN. I've ordered scads of pistol mags from them. Friendly fellows.

Dr. David Avery. I've purchased 2 Sigs and a Walther from him, all at very reasonable prices. He's a man who can be trusted.

Greg G

February 3, 2000, 09:30 AM

I live in the Dallas area and have bought several pistols from Doc Avery and believe him to be 100% trustworthy.

John Overbey

February 3, 2000, 11:42 AM

I have no experience with J&G, so I won't touch that one. However, I have found R-Guns to be somewhat dishonest.

In early December, I ordered a few "Factory Sig P-226" High capacity mags from them, at a premium price of course, but I was in a hurry to beat the new Cali restrictions at the end of the month, so I sucked it up and convinced myself it was worth it since I wouldn't be able to later, and they were after all, FACTORY mags. The shipment was late, getting here after Christmas, and when I opened it, I was steamed! They sent me what appear to be aftermarket mags. They are totally generic - definately no "SIG SAUER" stamp much less "SIG SAUER P-226" - no name or stamp or markings what so ever. They appear to be reasonable quality, but are not what I was expecting. Of course, I could return them, but would not be able to exchange them for anything other than 10 rounders. I'm not a happy camper. I feel that either their advertising was dishonest, or they took advantage of the folks from Cali rushing to pick up a last minute magazine. Either way, not very respectable.

I'll also second the no-go for Botach. I've been convinced to call them a few times, but if your not an LEO, they act like your wasting their time. They're not very friendly, and they don't seem to value your business.

As for the "Good Guys", I'll second the vote for CDNN and Bachman Pawn & Gun. Great folks. Jersey City was good, but I've only dealt with them once. Midway is great for reloading stuff, and Cabellas has treated me good as well.

I've already taken up too much space, so I'll stop with this thought... In todays society, the concept of true "customer service" is all but dead. We, as consumers, must share this information in order to reward the companies that are doing it right, so they will continue. It may also help to remind the companies who have "forgotten" what "service" means.

-John

Joseph

February 3, 2000, 11:49 AM

I've had the service I expected from J&G, but it was ammo only, so can't speak to any other issue.

I've had bad service from Guns & Knives in Ft. Lauderdale (price switching on firearms).

I was shipped incorrect ammo from Four Seasons. They sent 9mm instead of 357SIG, though charged me for the 357. Rather than send back the ammo, they offered my $1 off the regular price for the 9, plus a credit to bring the price in line, resulting in $6 a box for Lawman. They also shipped the 357 with no shipping charges. Overall, I felt they made good.

PATH

February 3, 2000, 12:17 PM

I ordered .308 ammo from J&G. I was shorted 137 rounds out of 500 in one box and 67 in the other. I always pay by credit card just to protect myself in such cases. It took 5 phone calls but eventually I got my ammo.
The rest of the order met my expectations. Maybe it's just a matter of hit or miss.

LongDuck

February 3, 2000, 12:26 PM

As to J&G, I live in S. AZ and called up there last year to verify their stock on 7.62x39 ammo, mags and ammo carriers to which they said they had all in stock. I made the drive up to Prescott only to find out that they were sold out of Russian 7.62, only had S&B in stock (at considerable markup) and on top of that they denied my purchase of several ammo bandoliers at their Shotgun News advertised price - asking for $10 more than the ad stated.

I was absolutely pissed. The place was busy for a weekend day and that is certainly how they make up for shoddy service and false advertising. Quantity, not quality.

I will never frequent their shop again regardless of 'advertised' price and take my time to urge others to do likewise. There are plenty of other ammo retailers out there who value your business - J&G IS NOT ONE OF THEM.

chmeyers

February 3, 2000, 05:25 PM

Sorry to hear about J&G. I suspected trouble when I tried to order 30-06 and they were always out-of-stock despite recent shotgun news ads. I've had great experiences with Classic Arms and Southern Ohio Gun.

pate

February 3, 2000, 06:11 PM

J & G = bait & switch

desmond57

February 3, 2000, 08:41 PM

To reaffirm what was said about Jersey City Armory.
I have yet to find someone with better pricing on Handguns, and it's a small business run buy a real nice up-front kind of guy.

I still kick myself when I see he sells a NIB Ruger Mark II Competition .22 at the same price I bought mine Used!!!

tatters

February 3, 2000, 08:50 PM

I have never dealt with J&G. I have used
Ivanhoe's, and almost used Cheaper than Dirt.
Never tried firearms, but ammo only.
Ivanhoe's was good, it took a while to get through, and they only deal on ammo through fax. Still felt good about the purchase.
As for CTD---- They are not in all cases. I also got put on hold so many times, I gave up!.

I am looking to use either Ammoman or Cole next time.

I agree about rewarding good service with more business. I give most places about 2 chances and that's it. There are too many places that want my business to fool around with those that don't. I feel that way about all my business be it restaurants or gun shops.

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logansdad

March 28, 2000, 11:20 AM

Cheaper than Dirt - have purchased ammo from them on numerous occasions and thay always got it right and were expeditious in delivery.

Also have had good experience with Midwest Gun Exchange.

jimmy

March 28, 2000, 01:58 PM

Wow--sorry to hear about the seriously bad experiences with R Guns. :eek: A year or two ago I ordered a number of Glock and SIG mags from them without a hitch. The only exception was one factory P228 mag that R Guns said was new but that was obviously used. They replaced it willingly even though not altogether cheerfully. Anyway, it sounds like I was lucky.

elector

March 28, 2000, 02:41 PM

I bought some pre-ban 20-round AR mags from R-Guns, advertised as new. They looked like they'd originally been 5-round mags with riveted spacers whose rivets had been drilled out and the spacers removed. This didn't seem to matter much, so I kept them.

The folks at Georgia Arms are okay to deal with and seem honest. I hope they got a new shipping clerk, though. Two of my last three orders were filled incorrectly. GA made good on them, however.

Spartan

March 28, 2000, 04:08 PM

Here is another one to add to the list. Shootersstore.com is looking like a dishonest company. I ordered some .357SIG ammo about 3 months ago for $7.65 a box(50). When I check on the order they send a generic response stating that the entire industry is behind in the manufacture of 357SIG ammo. I noticed on their site that they still have the ammo listed and not "Out-OF-Stock" or "Back-ordered" for $4.00 more per box. I think they are trying to avoid honoring the price they sold it for.

Solitar

March 28, 2000, 08:27 PM

Over the last few years I've bought a lot of ammo from J&G after checking around several mail order ammo places advertised in Shotgun News and here on the web. As usual, some places beat J&G on some items and J&G beats some others on other items. Overall, I've had excellent service from J&G - even to calling them after I've placed an order and getting the warehouse to add more before the order was shipped. They've hung onto my backorders way past my remembering that I had done so and called me when they received the ammo. They've gone that extra bit to help when I needed advice on different loads or bullets. When their computer has told them they have only 200 rounds of a particular cartridge left, and their warehouse found more, they've called me. Yep, I'm happy with them - at least for ammo.

March 28, 2000, 09:57 PM

If you want really good ammo at very fair prices call Cole Distributing, they have a very good reputation (on Bowers board and several others).

adad

March 29, 2000, 03:28 AM

I, too, have found Jersey City Armory to have great prices. And the guy who runs it is very helpful. Had a little delay on my ammo order, but he was very apologetic and got it out right away when I asked about it. He even sent my gun 2nd day after it took so long for them to get a copy of my local gun dealer's FFL, and it wasn't even his fault.

He's a good guy to deal with and he has great prices -- what more could you want?
(I don't work for the guy, btw, he's just treated me right -- not a common thing these days!). You can check him out at:
http://www.jcarmory.com/

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LegalWolf

March 29, 2000, 03:40 AM

Do not under any circ*mstances place an order
from Botach! I promise you will be sorry! I personaly know three people including myself that had had endless problems with their company within the last two months. Their customer service is the worst I have ever seen. They will always promise you that the order is on the way then you will never see it. When you call to find out the problem someone who speaks "broken english" will wnat to take a number where "someone will call you right back." Do not be fooled with thoses low prices. They are low because you will never get your order.
Ammoman is DaMan as far as ordering ammo. If there is a problem or you are not satisfied he will take it back. Walmart won't even do that! Ammoman Keep up the great CS!

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E. Hemmingway

March 30, 2000, 01:28 AM

I have heard very good things about Ammoman also on other boards. Pays to treat people right in the gun business, bad news travels real fast.

Emin

March 30, 2000, 10:45 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by desmond57:
To reaffirm what was said about Jersey City Armory.
I have yet to find someone with better pricing on Handguns, and it's a small business run buy a real nice up-front kind of guy.

I still kick myself when I see he sells a NIB Ruger Mark II Competition .22 at the same price I bought mine Used!!!
[/quote]

Well, consider you've just found them -- Bachmangun and KY Imports. The prices are sometimes substantially lower than those of JCArmory. I know at least a couple of more with prices lower than JC, but I'm at work now and don't have all the bookmarks.

Emin

March 30, 2000, 10:52 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LegalWolf:
Do not under any circ*mstances place an order from Botach! I promise you will be sorry! They are low because you will never get your order.[/quote]

You PROMISE?! I've purchased from Botach probably 8 or 10 times. The only problem was with them not notifying me about the delay in shipment of the very first order I'd placed with them. Other than that, I got all my orders promptly and fast.

Nyterunner

March 30, 2000, 05:01 PM

I have to agree with everyone about R guns. I bought an HK USP sight tool and got a piece of junk. the pusher rod mauled the rear sight, and no they were not helpful.
CDNN is GREAT. I also like Lightforce USA. Better than a Leupold or Schmitt & Bendover, and truly concerned with the customer.

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Tecolote

March 30, 2000, 05:15 PM

Emin,

So all these tales of woe on KY Imports and you recommend them? No thanks. I'll stick to people with a 100% track record like Greg Monte at www.jcarmory.com (http://www.jcarmory.com) and Dan Tobin of Dan's Sporting Goods.

As for Botach, just a cursory examination of the posts here and at www.glocktalk.com (http://www.glocktalk.com) reveals that the majority of the people that post have been either treated poorly or ripped off. I don't doubt you've had good experience with them, but the odds are against the outcome being good.

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